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OK I have a bit of a question here...

Everyone knows I designed the bolt cutter tools, right? IN CASE you dont...

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK/rivet/boltcutters/boltcutter.htm

My contribution to the world's poor builders who aspire to build their own AK but can't afford hundreds of dollars for tools, or live in an apartment or have no garage to work in, and can't set up shop.

This is "FREE" to the world, it was my intention to make it free and keep it that way.

Now, I see certain people are taking the design, and making tools for profit. I'm OK with that - I can't really "patent" this design, I'm just a guy with a dremel and too much time on his hands.

I guess my problem is that it seems the original idea is being forgotten, left behind so to speak. You always hear about Plinker's rivet jig and you know exactly who and what you're talking about. Ditto for 7.62x39's trigger guard jig.

Ever hear of Pookie's rivet jig?

NOPE.

I'm not looking to get famous for dremelling the crap out of some bolt cutters, but at the same time I'm bothered by the fact that others are taking my idea, making some bucks on it (hooray for capitalism), and getting all the glory.

Am I being vain here? I don't want to violate the sense of "community" we builders share, but I do want people to understand and remember the reason these are even around.

If this is a rant, or in bad taste, please forgive me. Maybe I'm just in a *****y mood. If I am then just tell me to "shut up" and I'll go sit back down.

- Jerry (aka the Pookster - MR. POOKIE to you!)
 

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As far as I am concerned you are the master of AK home building and you are right in that you at least deserve for the bolt cutter riveter to bear your name. Any of us that have been around for more than a few months all know that you came up with the idea. I don't have a problem with that guy making them and selling them, mostly because I'm too lazy to do it myself :) , but...he should let the boltcutters bear your name.

Lets hear it for Pookie Mag Base Plates :thumbup1:
 

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I think you are entirely right and I always refer to the boltcutters as HCPookie's when I write about them. BTW, I have read several folks post in different threads and on different bds. about their debt to you and your website, and your genius for developing WECSOG tools for us wealth-challenged folks, so IMHO most people that follow these things know the story.:thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:

Lastly shame on those that profit from your ideas without giving you credit. :nono2: :nono2: :nono2: :nono2:
 

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I dont think its fair for those of you who are stealing a design then making profit. I dont agree with it. I just received the "rivit smoocher" and dropped it off at a buddies for him to make another one to pass around the forum. That way there would be 2 of them floating around. Never did I have intentions on selling them!

Your the man POOKIE! Thanks for your awesome website. I go there once a week to read.
 

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Hey Jerry, I am just pleased to call you friend. The fact that your are so smart, made a hell of a tool, (from design to working prototype) makes it a little nicer but the guy I know shares with his friends with out concern for profit. Thanks for being around, Jack :thankyou:
 

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Maybe I'm off base here, but couldn't you patent them? At least they can't sell it for profit without violating the patent. Anyone could build the tooling for free for personal use as long as they weren't selling it.

I save the threads with pics of the tooling or of it in use. Makes things easier when I get around to building one of them.

EDIT: I usually try to refer to the jig by the person who came up with the tooling. i.e. Plinker's Rivet Jig, Pookie's Rivet Tool, Xebec's Barrel Tool, Machman or Pookie Dimple Jig, etc.
 

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Thanks for the insight, guys! I guess it just makes me sad and a little disappointed to see someone making a buck from something so stupidly simple like this. To me, its like repackaging a handful of dremel bits and selling them as "gunsmithing bits". You know, for me, it makes all the difference just to see someone acknowledge the design comes from XXXXXX. Heck, even I do that with all the photos on my website! I've never talked to "Thud" but he got all the dimple stuff figured out long ago! "Thuds the man" IMO.

Guess there's just one thing to do - drive down to HF, pick up a handful of the cutters, and start making the "original" squeezer :D

I don't think I could patent these - its a simple mechanical engineering feat and based on the freely-available hand rivet squeezers as used in the aircraft and RV industry.

Geez listen to me - "bad capitalist pig" - I sound like a frikin AK-building Commie! LOL

No matter what, I'm just glad that new builders can get their feet wet in the AK building world.

- Jerry
 

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Jerry... I have to tell you, dude... I own a set of the Pookster's famous riveting bolt cutters. I would in no way shape or form try to profit from your idea, however, I am ever thankful to your contribution to my building world, which consists of me, and my Golden Retriever named Bailey. He, on the other hand , has told me in great detail of how he plans to sell these and retire on the profits he plans to make from selling these AK rivet setting bolt cutters. I have cut him off from the beggin' strips until he sees things my way, but he's a stubborn breed... must take after my wife.
But, seriously, folks...I see no honor in "stealing " another man's technology, which, in your case, you so graciously put out for the benefit of guys like myself, who enjoy the hobby as you do. I see your point, and fully agree. There is no need for a few to get greedy, especially when it could hurt the rest of us by somebody not sharing their ideas to help fellow builders, feeling that it would only be to line the pocket of some jerk who takes it to the next level. I have put ideas out on flat bending without an expensive jig, and my theory on how it's better to bend with my method, as compared to a jig. I expect no profit, as you don't , but by the same token, I don't expect somebody to clone what I did, and start their own side show with it. If it can help somebody save a buck and bend a flat, I'm happy. I know fully what your are feeling, and I stand behind you.
 

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Pook,

As far as the credit for design goes, I think everybody but maybe a brand new, wet behind the ears newbie, knows that you were the genius behind these.

You were kind enough to share this info with other home builders.

From what I understand, once you posted them on the web without a patent, copyright or something like that (Jack, help me out here) you more or less gave up the rights to the design

I think it sucks out loud that some low life is profiting on your idea.
I think you ought to offer them for sale.
I'm sure everybody who wanted them would like to deal with you.

The Pookie web is great asset to home builders, and is becoming very popular, I see references to it popping up at several AK forums.

If anybody is going to profit from the your idea, it should be You
 

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I remember reading a post on another site (can't remember which) a couple days ago and kept looking at the text and then the username and saying to my self, I've seen similar words from but thats not his screen name.

He even copied the write up. Could have at least given credit where credit is due. Looks like he is going to sell trigger guard riveters too.
 

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I've seen many times in other posts the famous "Pookie Cutter Rivet Tool" it is played as an afforable option to the more expensive tools. Your website is included. Also when your site was down during your move many new/old builders were in a panic. Their links wouldn't work. Hopefully that problem has been resolved.

Let no-one forget you are the genius behind many, many builds (yours and others).
 

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Although I'm still a newbie in the AK BIY world, I'd put in my $.02 on this point.

1. Since the "Almost world famous HCPookie Bolt cutter rivet squeezers" design has been in the public domain, I don't think the other guy, can patent it either. However, if he has copied text directly from your website, he may be liable for copyright infringement. Copyrights, are easier to get than patents.

2. Most AK builder types are pretty handy guys, and aren't going to pay someone for something, when the instructions for making your own are available freely with wonderful illustrations, and explanations. The best way to limit this guys underhanded endeavor is to continue and if possible even improve the do-it-yourself information.

3. It has been said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Accept the respect and goodwill of the people you know, accept the "sincere flattery" of those you don't, and get back to doing what you love to do. Don't let this guy's ungrateful attitude ruin your day.

That's a lot for only $.02.

copyright ? 2004 bbowling, all rights reserved.:)
 

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Pookie.... all of us here know you for the "gun god" that you are and really appreciate both your web site and all of your ingenuity in being able to get it done cheaply and at least passing on the information and also "the Pookie Rivet Smoocher"(tm) that we all have read about here for the last couple of months.... with no regard to making a profit but to just help out all of us in pursuing our hobby .... We all thank-you and hope you keep sharing the knowledge with us ..... now get back to work there's guns to build ....
 

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Thanks again guys. Yes, I'm not looking for patent credit or anything like that, and yes I have shared this with everyone to "help the little guy".

Plinker,

Thanks for your thoughts! Your jig is one of the things that really got the wheels turning for my low-tech solution, so in part you and 1-Pat are responsible for the boltcutter idea! ;)

Its funny no one has ever "claimed" ownership, and that's fine. They have taken my basic idea and built upon it, in the same way I've stood on the shoulders of giants (or at least those willing to experiment with their "good" parts) and that's fine.

The only thing not fine with me is that I'm not even mentioned. :(

Oh well, I guess I'll take carguy's advice and just go build more stuff.

Like US floorplates (the reason I bought the 12-ton press).

And Bizon build kits.

And Groza build kits.

And US-muzzle extensions build to resemble PBS-1's and PBS-5's.

And Krink/AKS-74 folding-stock trunion parts kits.

and... well you get the idea. The sandbox is big enough for everyone! :D And you just KNOW I'm gonna build those things!!! Which reminds me, I need to find why my mini-mill hasn't arrived, because I really need it to make a die stamp for the floorplates. I can't justify making the floorplats when it takes 15 minutes PER FLOORPLATE. That press is just itching to start stamping those buggers out!
 

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HCPookie, I've been calling them the "HCPookie bolt cutter riveters" from the time I made mine, useing your great information and site. You've done a lot for us home builders and I appreciate it. I know others do too.

http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1942

I would have to agree with Texxut! As far as I can remember, I have been using your name associated with them as well. You would be suprised how many times we correctly referred to them while you were gone!

I also remember when you were gone for such a long stent, many many times we made reference to the so called "pookie web" that was offline, but was so informing, that would be back up in a few months. You wouldn't believe the number of people that would ask about it.

Not to undermine your innovation behind the bolt cutters, but I think you've earned your spot and prestige many times on all boards with so many of the other things you've done. The bolt cutters are just the tip of the ice berg!
 

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I think some of this started when you were off line for so long. I am purchasing a set of bolt cutters from someone that does give you credit. (I would be happy to PM his name if you like). I think he made a few minor modifications to your design but I have seen threads where he discussed it with you. I am buying them not because his disign is better but because it is convenient. Yes I could make the tool but I don't have time. For me it is much better to spend $30 bucks and get it than to spend hours making one. He is not stealing your design or taking credit. He is providing a service. If you were selling them I would buy one from you but to my knowledge you are not selling them. I think that some people are taking your great ideas and just providing a service be acting on your ideas. They are not getting paid for the idea they are getting paid for providing a service.

I know it can be frustrating because my wife designed and built the first operational hover craft and sold the idea to GE for a scholarship. Today no one even has a clue she did it.
 

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I would say that at times it is more fun to come up with the new ideas than to get wrapped up in production. Making tools at home can be rewarding, but man, it takes up a lot of time.
 
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