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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041213/D86US5QO0.html


BEIJING (AP) - China and Russia will hold their first joint military exercise next year, the Chinese government said Monday, as President Hu Jintao called for an expansion of the rapidly growing alliance between the former Cold War rivals.

The announcement came during a visit to Beijing by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, who was expected to discuss expanding the Kremlin's multibillion-dollar annual arms sales to China.

The exercises are to take place on Chinese territory, the official China News Service said. But that report and other government statements didn't say when they would take place or what forces would be involved.

"We want ... to promote the development of the two countries' strategic collaborative relationship in order to safeguard and promote regional and world peace," CNS quoted Hu as telling Ivanov.

Beijing and Moscow have built up military and political ties since the Soviet collapse in 1991, driven in part by joint desire to counterbalance U.S. global dominance.

They are partners of the six-nation Shanghai Cooperation Organization, formed to combat what they consider the common threat of Islamic extremism and separatism. The other members are the former Soviet republics of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

The announcement of military exercises comes two months after Beijing and Moscow settled the last of their decades-old border disputes that led to violent clashes in the 1960s and '70s.

The agreement was signed during an October trip to Beijing by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who said relations had reached "unparalleled heights." That visit also produced a pact to jointly develop Russian energy resources - an urgent issue for Beijing, which is trying to avert fuel shortages in its booming economy.

The frontier where at one point 700,000 Soviet troops faced 1 million Chinese soldiers is now a bustling cross-border market.

China has become the Russian arms industry's No. 1 customer, and is expected to buy $2 billion in weapons this year.

Russia is a key supplier for the Chinese military's effort to modernize its arsenal and back up frequent threats to invade Taiwan, the self-ruled island that Beijing claims as its territory.

The United States and the European Union have banned weapons sales to China since its bloody 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy protesters. But Moscow has supplied Beijing with high-performance Su-27 fighters and other top-of-the-line arms.

Ivanov also met with Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan and Guo Boxiong, deputy chairman of the Communist Party commission that runs China's military, the official Xinhua News Agency said. Hu is chairman of the commission.

Hu is to visit Moscow in May during festivities commemorating the end of World War II.
 

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It was just a lull in the action. I see this as the new power of Asia coming to a head. Russia is probably doing it for 3 reasons.

1. They are afraid of the Chinese as they get better and more technical.

2. Russia wants money

3. Russia wants influence in anything going on around Asia.

How long will be before the Chinese need to expand? The are fast becoming a huge consumer of raw material as they modernize. India is also in the same bucket and with eatern Russia becoming a new place to do business it won't be long before there are problems in the region.

Chinese, Russians, Indians, Muslims and the rest of Asia, should make some decent fireworks over the next 20-30 years.
 

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Anyone care to speculate who the common enemy of Russia and China would be?
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
Anyone care to speculate who the common enemy of Russia and China would be?
Um? the US? It's a sure bet the Russians will find a way to restore some of their former glory just as we would if our system would collapse.
 

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No, no, no. Don't you remember when Bush met Putin early on in his first term he came back saying he was a man he could trust and work with?

My vote is that it's Lichtenstein that's on the hit list.

Actually, what I find interesting about this is that as Russia and China move from being communist states to becoming fascist states (sorry, folks, I ain't buying it that they're moving towards being democratic states) it appears that the Sino-Soviet split is healing.
 

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I agree with you on the Facist thing and I have my doubts whether the Bush admin trusts Putin.
While it is only through clenched teeth that I can say anything positive about Bush, I do think he's gotten an accurate take on Putin by now.
 

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Very Very Scary!!! Buy up some more AK's fellas.
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
While it is only through clenched teeth that I can say anything positive about Bush, I do think he's gotten an accurate take on Putin by now.
Big of you to say that, but I do think Bush is way more savvy than most people give him. In this case it wouldn't take much to see through Putin as he is taking more and more power away from his states after the Beslan massacre.

His involvement in the Ukraine is interesting as well.
 
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