[Oldgunner]

I had a little wake-up call the other day. I was reading about how to convert an Enfield #4-Mk1 Rifle to shoot .223 or 7.62x39 ammo. It was interesting reading till I got to why the conversion was being done. This is another of those ?IT CAN HAPPEN HERE? stories. I had heard of the restrictive new laws in Australia but knew little about them. Below is the paragraph where he tells why the conversions are being done.

[?Following the repeal of the Australian Rifle Club (A.R.C.) Regulations, which had been a part of the Defense Act since 1907, all legal ways of owning and using a self-loading rifle have disappeared. Like many active target shooters in Australia, I was stuck with a large quantity of .223 Remington ammunition, but with nothing to use it in, after having to hand-in my self-loading rifle. Many of us were digging up a Lee-Enfield, Mauser, Springfield, Enfield, etc in order to continue competing.?] See it here. http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/no4223/index.asp

Think about the fact the many politicians want to pass laws to make all ?Self-loading? guns history here too. I know the bill comes up here in Illinois every year and gets closer to passing each time.

 

[Sangrun Hunter]

I was reading that same info on tyhe same site just a few days agao as well.

Old Teddy tries to get ammunition outlawed just about every year by calling it cop killer ammo. Not just steel jacket stuff, but everything including good old hunting ammo.

 

[mike26038]

It will be a sad, and I hope bloody, day in American history when they make us turn guns in here...

 

[hotbarrel]

no blood spilling from ,,fat dumb and happy. allmost NOBODY here in this country is willing to ,,, well never mind I wont say it but you know what I am thinking,

 

[Oldgunner]

no blood spilling from ,,fat dumb and happy. allmost NOBODY here in this country is willing to ,,, well never mind I wont say it but you know what I am thinking,

:rant:
It?s getting harder to find anyone under 30 that gives a damn about anything as far as their rights are concerned. (My Wife?s 3 kids are now mid-thirties and are clueless) Most have been raised by a government school to think things like the 2nd Amendment are no longer valid in today?s world, (and it?s almost true because they don?t know enough to care about it.) Some only look at what?s easy or best for them, Others look at what?s best for all in the long run even if it is the hard way. I hate it when a teacher talks about not wanting to harm a students ?Fragile Ego?. So everyone wins and is given prizes or passes the class even if they?re as dumb as a rock. What happened when I was a kid didn?t shatter my ?Ego?, I learned things as they should be learned, by getting injured or having my feelings hurt. A little pain and suffering will teach you things that no school will ever teach. And if you?re made to look stupid to those in your class, you?ll do better next time, You also learn that real friends stay and the rest fall away.
I know all generations say that ?Today?s kids have got it soft? and it?s true because that?s the way it should be, but each generation looked back and could see what their forefathers had given to make it possible. Today some kids still look back I know and they still understand this, but it seems a larger percentage than ever before can?t understand the millions that gave their lives for our Freedom or even why they would do it, let alone care. Our Freedom and our Constitutional Rights where not given to us by any government, those people stood up to their government and fought for them, they died for them. And no bullshit about you and me not being the Militia, Who showed up for that ?Shot heard around the World? and fought the British till an army could be assembled? It was just the common man, the farmers, the shopkeepers, just everyday working men! With squirrel guns and whatever they had they fought. They knew ?the right of the people to keep and bear Arms? was worth their blood or even their lives. The British came to take their guns and got a War instead. It makes me wonder about those that promote gun control, I can see they?re not for Freedom and our Rights mean nothing to them, so what are they? The new British?

 

[scubadvr]

Hey Oldgunner, I used to think you were right about young people (I'm a child of the early seventys). However, check out those young men and women in Iraq and in the service. They are like my parents, people from the WWII generation, the best Americans yet to be seen. I thought for so long that being an American was dead, after watching those kids in the middle east and Afganistan, boy was I wrong. By the way, didn't we elect two Bushes and one Regan, being a good American is not dead with us, sometimes just al little hard to find in the fu---d up media (with the exception of FOX). Just my two cents. Jack

 

[sks_hunter]

I'm 35, and it pisses me off to no end the way kids these days just don't give a fuck for nuthin.
A while back in McDonald's I had some very choice words for a snotty-nosed little spindly teen-ager and his girlfriend, who cut in front of a Gentelman who happened to be wearing a legionaire's vest with an Omaha Beach patch on the left front breast. This little asshole jumped right in front of this elderly gentleman, who was having a very hard time trying to negotiate the drink station with his tray and cane, nearly knocking the guy down. I grabbed the little puke and pulled him back and said " you had better wait your turn, and that would be BEHIND me. In your rush, you almost knocked this gentleman over. My son is your age, and if he showed that type of disregard to other people, let alone a World War 2 Vet, I'd belt his ass in front of everybody here."
He looked at me, giving me a look as if to say "go fuck yourself", and pointed to a guy, maybe a few years older than me, and about half my size, and said "That's my dad right there, and he would never do that".
I looked Dad right in the eye and said "maybe we ought to start with dad, for not teaching you manners".
Dad said... "you'd better wait your turn... these people were here before you".
I then helped the elderly gentleman with his tray, got him seated ,and... get this.... HE thanks ME.... whatta trip.
My reply was "I wouldn't even know how to say thank you to you, and have it really mean what I felt."
I got home, and told my son the story... I felt good knowing that he was amazed that a kid his age would do something so ignorant.

 

[Oldgunner]

Hey Oldgunner, I used to think you were right about young people (I'm a child of the early seventys). However, check out those young men and women in Iraq and in the service. They are like my parents, people from the WWII generation, the best Americans yet to be seen. I thought for so long that being an American was dead, after watching those kids in the middle east and Afganistan, boy was I wrong. By the way, didn't we elect two Bushes and one Regan, being a good American is not dead with us, sometimes just al little hard to find in the fu---d up media (with the exception of FOX). Just my two cents. Jack

Hey scubadvr:
I don?t want anyone to think I was talking about all young people today. I just think that the number of government brainwashed kids is getting higher. We still have millions of right thinking young people, but if you have ever talked to either High School or Collage students (I live just outside of DeKalb IL, Home of NIU) you?ll find the schools have done their government mandated job of brainwashing them. Sometimes their stupidity and or ignorance of their government and their rights frighten me. Most are told that the 2nd Amendment is no longer needed in a modern world and that only the government has a ?Right? to keep and bear arms. Or that guns are just evil in someway all on there own. Our government tells even those that enter legally into our country that the 2nd Amendment is no longer valid as far as being ?The Right of the people? It?s now only a Right of the government. . (Check it out, Immigrants are given books and pamphlets that tell them that there is no ?Right to keep and bear arms? now) The government tells this to them so that in the future they won?t know they have lost anything, they?ll think we never had the right at all. Now we have the President busting up the CIA. Some think this is the beginning of creating a new Gestapo to keep us under control. I hope not, but I wonder when I hear and read about things like the Police in Oshkosh Wisconsin searching homes without warrants and confiscating legal guns. Oh yeah they gave them back but I bet they now have their owners on a list as criminals, (Because gun owners are considered guilty till proven innocent.)
Our country can?t help but produce good people. (It?s the government that has screwed things up) The people of America are good at hart and soul. Our government just needs to step aside and let the Mothers and Fathers of our young ( Maybe the Grand Parents?) decide what is right as far as an education. I?m not a person that believes in God, but I know we where better off when God was still in our schools and getting an education was more important than protecting a kids ?Fragile Ego?. Kids are tuff and will survive an F in class, and if given encouragement will do better next time. We need to turn things around by teaching our kids the right stuff, old fashion values and by that I mean real values, old fashion or not.

 

[scubadvr]

Oldgunner, I like you, I have never met you, but you are a man of value and straight forwardness. I will stand by your ideals any day. I think you will agree, there are more like us on this board and after watching Zell Miller, I think there is hope for us all. Keep the faith, believe in good, and above all God Bless America! Jack

 

[sks_hunter]

When I was a kid, and did something I knew I shouldn't be doing, I got a leather belt across my ass. Nowadays, it's time out. WTF does a timeout teach? wouldn't you remember a good strapping alot more?
"Hmmm... if I frig up, I'll have to go take a time out." Big deal.
or... "if I frig up, I'm gonna get my ass blistered by the old man's belt."
I don't mean to sound like I'm a hard-ass dad for my kids, but I do believe in a belt across the ass when trying to explain and talk to them has no effect, and I set the expectation for them beforehand. Third strike, and you're out. I think this is more than fair. It VERY RARELY has ever gotten to strike 3 with my son, and he respects me for making good on my promises, and I don't have to worry about him going beyond strike 2 (he's still a kid, though)
When we were in the grocery store, he never pitched a screaming fit about not getting a piece of candy. He is never lippy to his mom or I, and he treats his little sister like his own daughter. I think I've done alright. I wish alot more parents at this day and age thought the same. I don't know how many times I've heard a 4-year old kid screaming at his mom in a store cause he couldn't have gum. It drives me completely bullshit. Timeouts and parents who dole them out have created a lazy and ignorant society, who will never hold themselves accountable for anything. There is no respect learned at an early age when all you have to worry about is getting timeout, or even worse, idle threats. I fear for my 15 year old son, and how bad it will be when he has his own family. I think I'll have him build the polish kit with me, to teach him to work deliberately, have patience, and revel in the fruits of his labor, as he bumps out a 40-rounder. But if he fucks it up.....(kidding)

 

[Oldgunner]

When I was a kid, and did something I knew I shouldn't be doing, I got a leather belt across my ass. Nowadays, it's time out. WTF does a timeout teach? wouldn't you remember a good strapping alot more?

When I married I took on a Wife with three kids already. She couldn?t have another so I never had one of my own. (She passed away 5/02) They where from 11 to 16 years old then. Now it?s 20 years later and I feel lucky to have only had to bail one of them out of jail, and that was for a bum rap from an X girl friend saying he hit her. The problem is the older two, the eldest (daughter) is married w/2 kids, can?t stand them, they think the world revolves around them and got kicked out of school the first week. So now they have to go to a private school for wild animals. They get ?Time Outs? like ?sks-hunter? talked about and it did nothing but show them how to manipulate the parents. I can?t go to see them because like my Wife said ?I just want to punch them?. The middle kid (son) is in his third marriage and has a son (raised by his Mother) starting High School this fall that I think will end up just fine. My Wife?s son can?t understand how the kids Stepfather wanted teach him about Guns, God and Country; he says the guys a nut. I just look at him and think, Who?s the nut? The kid is level headed and has manners, what the hell does the guy want, a jerk like himself? He thinks that all guns should be outlawed and confiscated. I asked him what he?d do in a few years when his town changes like the others around him, ?I?ll just call 911?he says. ?Oh you mean the government supported Dial-a-Prayer? I say, ?Well don?t come to me looking for a handgun to protect your Wife and new baby then? (I gave him a little info on 911 and I think I scared him a bit). He told me that if it weren?t for people like me with our guns he wouldn?t have to worry about crime at all. Almost punched him then and there. I asked him what crime have I ever committed? Then I told him that ?I?ve been shooting from the age of five and have never had more than a speeding ticket in my life, So WTF makes you think guns cause crime?? Things went south from there but we ended the night OK, I fixed his computer, installed a firewall and went home. That was last Thanksgiving and I haven?t been back.

 

[Oldgunner]

Yep fear sure worked for me and so did seeing my older brothers getting their punishment. Being the youngest is sometimes a good thing, You learn from your elders and in this case I mean elder brothers. If nothing else I?m observant and saw what not to do. I?d feel sorry for today?s parents not being able to punish in the old way, except for the fact that most feel it?s right to never hit or physically touch their kid in punishing them. I feared my parents, but I loved them for caring enough to make me do the right thing. And I always knew they loved me. I heard what happened (only heard about it, didn?t see it) to my eldest brother when he threw a tantrum in a store, guess what? I was never stupid enough to do that; I learned from just hearing about it. Again FEAR WORKED! Of course if the child is never taught common sense the kid can?t understand the reason to fear parents is a life lesson and not just viciousness on the adults part. It?s all part of a package deal when teaching kids about life, Fear, Respect and Common Sense. It?s worked for thousands of years, So why do people think it?s time to change now?

 

[belayer]

since u aint going to FIGHT for your rights, you might as well just sell off your guns and take up tennis, bowling, etc. Bolt actions aint fighting rifles, and an AK is a poor example, as is the spray and pray bs that AK fans are fond of.

 

[sks_hunter]

why are you constantly shitting on AK enthusiasts?
We gather here because we happen to like them.
Look at what our boys are using in Iraq, when thier AR rifles jam and stop functioning properly.
Read some info on what thier choice would be if given the option between the two.
please stop the gum-flapping, and do some research.

 

[Sangrun Hunter]

since u aint going to FIGHT for your rights, you might as well just sell off your guns and take up tennis, bowling, etc. Bolt actions aint fighting rifles, and an AK is a poor example, as is the spray and pray bs that AK fans are fond of.

Okay,

What's up belayer? I see some of your posts as productive until I caught this one. We all have opinions here and most of us own many types of guns from AR's to Mausers.

No need to insult people over their choice of weapons. Please keep it civil and on the line.

 

[Oldgunner]

since u aint going to FIGHT for your rights, you might as well just sell off your guns and take up tennis, bowling, etc. Bolt actions aint fighting rifles, and an AK is a poor example, as is the spray and pray bs that AK fans are fond of.

Who said they?re not going to fight for their rights? I didn?t see anyone say that. As far as using a bolt action rifle to fight with, who said that? We?re here on Gunco because we all have a love for guns. Yes I love my Mausers, Nagant?s, Enfield and other bolt actions, but I know that more modern weapons outclass them in a firefight. Who?s in a firefight? I have them because I enjoy them, I enjoy the kick and the noise they make, I enjoy learning the history of the gun, I enjoy learning about their design and function. The most important word here is ?Enjoy?. As for working gun?s I?ll pick my AR-15 and a 1911A1 .45. Or my Taurus 9mm PT-99, those are my working gun?s. Everyone has his or her own needs when it comes to a gun. Some need a rifle that will print a one-inch group at 300 yards and some just need a gun for home defense. An AK-47 that shoots a 6-inch group at 50 yards is as good as that one-inch group at 300 because it can save a life. Lets not put down any type of gun, we have politicians that will do that. All gun owners need to get together and defend each other because no one else will help us. So let?s not argue.

 

[sks_hunter]

very well put, oldgunner.
I wish I had your way with the written word.

 

[Oldgunner]

Hay sks_hunter,
I suck when it comes to writing, I just get carried away at times and I thank God for MS Word with it?s spell-checker. I don?t think I?m a serious shooter, as I see it if you don?t shoot 500+ rd's a week your not SERIOUS! I?m just a person that loves guns, their history and how they work. I am serious about our right to keep and bare arms and our freedom of speech. I have come to understand my Mother better with age. Many years ago she told me that she was happy she wouldn?t live much longer because of what was happening to this country, our loss of more and more freedoms and she said our government was turning left towards Communism more each day. At the age of 84 she also said she felt sorry for the children born today because they will be the ones to suffer when our government turns upon its people. Well it?s been almost ten years since she died and things don?t look any better. Our government is still trying to disarm us all and with the new laws on elections our freedom of speech is gone as far as talking about politicians from now till after the election. In case you don?t know pro-gun groups like the NRA, GOA and JPFO can?t talk (publicly) about anyone up for election or reelection to office for the next thirty days. Only NBC, ABC, Fox and the evil CBS can promote their favorites. They can say anything they want, Pro or Con about our President and you know it?ll be con if it?s the CBS Commie?s. Meanwhile the NRA is begging for us to give money so they can keep us informed by email and snail mail. That?s because that?s the only way left to them to tell us about any new laws or bills that may be put forth under the radar by some moron in congress. Any Congressperson that?s up for reelection can put an anti-gun bill up for a vote now and the NRA can?t make a ruckus in public because of the new laws take that freedom away from them and us. We are screwed for the last thirty days before an election, they don?t want us to know what is going on because it may cost some jerk an election if we are told the truth. What if the story on those Bush papers released by CBS had come the night before the news clampdown, we wouldn?t have heard the truth that they where fake till after the election. The Swift Boat guys couldn?t have said a word for those thirty days before election. And who knows if they could effectively have done so by email. People like Ted Kennedy and Dianne Feinstein want the freedom to screw us and have no one looking over their shoulders.

 

[gunnysmith]

since u aint going to FIGHT for your rights, you might as well just sell off your guns and take up tennis, bowling, etc. Bolt actions aint fighting rifles, and an AK is a poor example, as is the spray and pray bs that AK fans are fond of.

Would you mind explaining how statements such as this are helpful or supportive. :dunno:
Now, take that arrogant pride, stick it in your pocket, and have some fun here.
:welcome:
To Gunco you can be an asset, or..........asshat
Your choice

 

[Lupeloff]

O gunner that was said as well as anything I've ever read. Just as a screwdriver has it's use or a hammer and yea even a BOXCUTTER . So do all these weapons but the young seem to forget that it was a Flintlock that gave them the RIGHTS they have today.
OLDGUNNER YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!

What you said.:thumbup1: