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I'm looking for a good quality tactical scope with a Mil-Dot Reticle to put on my Savage Model 10FP-LE2 in .308 caliber. The only problem is, a lot of Mil-Dot reticles have such fine crosshairs that they are "uncomfortable" to use. I'm not saying my eyes are so bad that I can't see them, but I wear eyeglasses, necessitating long eye relief. This makes a fine crosshair difficult to see against a "complicated" background.

I've attached an image shot through a Leupold Mark 4 tactical scope. This is an example of a reticle I consider TOO FINE to use comfortably.

The question is: Can anyone direct me to a good tactical scope with a Mil-Dot reticle in which the cross-hairs are a little more coarse than the image of the reticle I've provided?

If you go to the considerable trouble to take a photo through your scope, I can only say that you will have my complete gratititude!
 

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Well, I just ordered two SWFA Super Sniper scopes, along with the sunshades, killflashes, and flip caps to go with them.

http://www.riflescopes.com/departments/264/rifle_scopes/super_sniper/super_sniper_scopes.htm

I finally decided that all the rave reviews about this scope on SWFA's website convinced me. At the price, too, if it doesn't live up to expectations, then I haven't blown $1,000 on one scope only to find I don't like it. I have two Savage .308 rifles. I may zero one for about 4-500 yards, and the other for around 200-250 yards.

If I'm going to like the scope this should give me a good indication of how the scope performs when going up or down in elevation.

Two scopes and accessories, plus shipping, set my credit card back approximately $986.00. I've got a couple of rifles on consignment at the local gun shop, so I'll have to wait to sell them before I can even purchase rings or have the scopes mounted and bore-sighted. I ordered the "Mil-Dot Master" too, just because it looks like it has a field-portable card to carry to the range. So my coffers are officially empty.
 

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u don't know what fun IS until you've won a combat rifle match with a suppressed AR-15. with such gear,winning is rather easy, too. :)
 

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even one such sounds WAY beyond any realistic civilian need to me. The average SWAT sniper shot is 75m,did you know that? Now,if there's ANY 400m shots, it takes a lot of 25m shots to bring the average down to 75m, eh? if half of the shots are 400m, and half are 25m, the average is 212m, correct? If the shot isn't a 400m head shot, why the need of such a fancy scope, bolt action, etc? Any regular AR15, with the iron sights, decent ammo, and a trigger job, will reliably hit 400m torsos. With a 24" barrel, match ammo, rangefinder scope, etc,it will make those same hits at 500m, too. So why would you limit yourself to a bolt action, hmm? The 308 is no great powerhouse, or wind or gravity bucker, when it comes to taking big game at long range, either. The 300 Win Mag beats the 308 rather badly for such things, and so does the 7mm Rem Mag.
 

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maybe he enjoys shooting the .308, in a bolt configuration.
maybe he enjoys shooting at paper, not a head.
I enjoy shooting my 22 ruger pistol, but I wouldn't trust my life to it's ballistics.
I also enjoy shooting my .300 WIN MAG, but have never trained the crosshairs on somebody's skull, nor would I.
I still have a very expensive scope on it, which I also enjoy.
I enjoy learning new things.
I enjoy conversing with people on this board about things I know alot about, or things I know nothing about.
I enjoy knowing that the vast majority of this board are here for the same enjoyment that I seek.
I enjoy making new friends.
what the Major is doing sounds like fun to me.
I am very glad to hear that you like your AR.
enjoy it.
 

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It's really sad to see that nearly everyone doesn't have a clue as to WHY they enjoy shooting. Deep down, it IS about combat, otherwise,you'd settle for an airgun, or a .22.
 

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Cephus. I respect you. You have the intelligence to put into words the exact things I am feeling and not able to express without becoming as annoying as the person I am trying to address. ak'sr4me
 

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Major,

I've been looking at those SWFA's.
Have You received them yet, how about a review?
I haven't actually had one mounted on a rifle yet; I'm waiting for next payday.

I'll give you my first impressions right out of the box.

Optics: perfectly clear, with both the side parallax adjustment and rear focus ring allowing fine adjustments to the focus.

Elevation and windage adjustments: definite clicks, 1/4 MOA, with not only 1/4 minute markings on each turret, but what might be called "full turn" markings on the turret stems. That is, the turret stems are marked with graduated "steps" so you can keep track of how many full turns you make. This scope looks like it has a LOT of adjustment range!

The parallax turret seems a little loose, but repeated simulated "bumping" of it against my clothing and hand did not jar it out of my chosen setting.

Reticle: Good and sharp. Very black. I don't like a fine spider-web reticle like on a varmint scope. This one is fine. It looks like any Tasco mil-dot reticle.

Light gathering: Don't know yet. I live in the Southwest where there are mostly bright sunny days. It's fine so far.

The kill-flash and sunshade accessories were backordered, so I can't review them. SWFA's website has other reviews. If they're to be believed it's a HELLUVA scope for $400.00. The bottom of the scope has a sticker covering what is marked "Nitrogen Port" or something like that. I'm almost afraid to remove the sticker: will I find just some lacquer sealant or something more?

All in all, it looks to be a fine scope, although the Tasco name strikes terror into my heart. Some people claim that the Tasco "World Class" line is as good as a scope can get. SWFA claims that the Super Sniper is made especially for them to their specifications.

So, we'll see.
 

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MAJOR PITA said:
I haven't actually had one mounted on a rifle yet; I'm waiting for next payday.

I'll give you my first impressions right out of the box.

Optics: perfectly clear, with both the side parallax adjustment and rear focus ring allowing fine adjustments to the focus.

Elevation and windage adjustments: definite clicks, 1/4 MOA, with not only 1/4 minute markings on each turret, but what might be called "full turn" markings on the turret stems. That is, the turret stems are marked with graduated "steps" so you can keep track of how many full turns you make. This scope looks like it has a LOT of adjustment range!

The parallax turret seems a little loose, but repeated simulated "bumping" of it against my clothing and hand did not jar it out of my chosen setting.

Reticle: Good and sharp. Very black. I don't like a fine spider-web reticle like on a varmint scope. This one is fine. It looks like any Tasco mil-dot reticle.

Light gathering: Don't know yet. I live in the Southwest where there are mostly bright sunny days. It's fine so far.

The kill-flash and sunshade accessories were backordered, so I can't review them. SWFA's website has other reviews. If they're to be believed it's a HELLUVA scope for $400.00. The bottom of the scope has a sticker covering what is marked "Nitrogen Port" or something like that. I'm almost afraid to remove the sticker: will I find just some lacquer sealant or something more?

All in all, it looks to be a fine scope, although the Tasco name strikes terror into my heart. Some people claim that the Tasco "World Class" line is as good as a scope can get. SWFA claims that the Super Sniper is made especially for them to their specifications.

So, we'll see.
I understand that SWFA bought the rights, and has a bigtime NAVY contract! The sniper guys are raving about it.
 

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I recently put a Bushnell Legend on a Savage .243 The rifle is primarily for the kids to shoot, on paper, at ranges, 100 - 400 yds. But... I'd like to deer hunt with it this winter, when the opportunity arises.

I got a mil dot, because I absolutely suck at accurate ranging. The dots help me gauge deer range. (Cephus tells me it's a confidence issue... I'm still workin on it.)

This Legend is 5-15 X 40mm. The paralax adjustment is stiff and well marked. No unintended movement or drift. Lines / dots are easy to see.

Eye relief / Acquisition is easy, up to 11X. I rarely take it to 15X anyway, just to zoom in when my spotting scope isn't available.

So far, I'm satisfied. Haven't had the occasion to test low-level light yet.

May not be a tactical scope, but if recreational, varmint, paper, or accurate shot placement, it works great.
 

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