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Blacksmith Bill
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Hi Guys,
I am thinking of doing a century series type Saiga in .308. I know that the Russians never made one in this caliber but it might be a lot of fun to do a conversion similar to the .223 I did a couple of years ago. This time I will do it as a side folder, use a Mark Krebbs large FS/GB combo, and maybe a rail system similar to Krebbs with a flip up rear sight. The large FS/GB combo that I have takes the AR 15 front sight post so like I said this is going to be a type or variant of a Century series.....Anyhow I was thinking that this time instead of using a AK74 break I would modify one of my 7071 aluminum Fake Russian cans for the Yugo M92, yes I know that the Yugo is 26 mm thread and not the standard Bulgarian 24mm so I will have to machine an adaptor....more work but what this will do is give me added weight to the end of the barrel and allow me to use the full length 21.8 inch original Russian barrel with out having to turn it down. Anyway this is my idea, I will do a mock up drawing when I get home from Utah and post up some pictures. Please let me know what you think and if you have any suggestions I would be glad to hear them.
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will6970
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I'm not sure what you mean about "Century series"?
 

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Do you mean "Century series" as in something like an AK-103?


Izhmash makes a "Century series" in .308 already.

Hey Nalioth,
Good to hear from you, it has been a while. Yes. what I mean is to do is to convert a .308 Saiga with a 21.3 inch barrel to a Century Series type rife for example like the .223 I converted some time back. I know you mentioned the AK 103, but I am thinking more along the lines of this AK 104, only adding a Fake Russian Can as a barrel counter weight, which also allows me to keep the barrel length at the afore mentioned 21.3 inch length.

By the way cool picture! That looks like a modified VEPR .308. I had not seen this model before.. very cool!
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will6970
 

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Century Series AK 101 to 105

Do you mean "Century series" as in something like an AK-103?


Izhmash makes a "Century series" in .308 already.

Hey Nalioth,
Good to hear from you, it has been a while. Yes. what I mean is to do is to convert a .308 Saiga with a 21.3 inch barrel to a Century Series type rife for example like the .223 I converted. I know you mentioned the AK 103, but I am thinking more along the lines of this AK 104, only adding a Fake Russian Can as a barrel counter weight, which also allows me to keep the barrel length at the afore mentioned 21.3 inch length.

By the way cool picture! That looks like a modified VEPR .308. I had not seen this model before.. very cool!
Thanks,
will6970
 

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Century Series AK 101 to 108

I'm not sure what you mean about "Century series"?
Hi Coils,
It has been a while how have you been? The "Century Series" refers to the AK variants Known as the AK 101 to the AK 108. The numbers being in the 100's would be the reason for the designation of Century Series. At least this is what I have read and been lead to believe.
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Hey Nalioth,
Good to hear from you, it has been a while. Yes. what I mean is to do is to convert a .308 Saiga with a 21.3 inch barrel to a Century Series type rife for example like the .223 I converted. I know you mentioned the AK 103, but I am thinking more along the lines of this AK 104, only adding a Fake Russian Can as a barrel counter weight, which also allows me to keep the barrel length at the afore mentioned 21.3 inch length.

By the way cool picture! That looks like a modified VEPR .308. I had not seen this model before.. very cool!
Thanks,
will6970
Here is a picture of the older style VEPR in .308 that I was talking about.
 

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I've been ok, thanks for asking. And yourself?

The "Century Series" refers to the AK variants Known as the AK 101 to the AK 108
OK I get what your saying, never heard that before though.

I don't see why you couldn't, the only thing I can think of causing problems would be the barrel diameter, but then the hand guard retainer would most likely be the only issue there since you thought out the gas block already.
 

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will6970 - if and when you do this AK104 in .308 can tell me where you find the GB/FSB for it. If its custom, can you make an extra one for me to buy it from you?
 

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So it begins.....

Ok, today the base rifle for this AK104 conversion project arrived. A NIB Saiga .308-1 with the 21.3 inch barrel from Classic Arms. A cool development in my quest for parts is that I was actually able to acquire an honest to God original Russian AK 104 FSB/GB! I am not sure of the ID of the barrel portion of this block, (it has not arrived in the mail yet), so I don't know how much the barrel will have to be turned down so that it indexes properly but time will tell. Other parts acquired for this conversion:

1) US made copy of the Russian 100 series side-folding stock and hardware. (I also acquired a Russian latch, pin and spring for the side-folder).

2) TAPCO G2 FCG. This may get changed out for a Red Star FCG.

3) Sanitized ribbed Bulgarian Top cover.

4) Bulgarian lower HG retainer.

5) US K-VAR 100 series upper and lower hand-guard, (black).

6) Bulgarian gas tube, (from a milled kit)

7) MDARMS copy of the new IZHMASH pistol grip with the finger grooves.

8) US Home made copy of a Russian can that I am going to use as a barrel shroud.

I am interested in finding a Russian AKM rear leaf site. If I can't find one I do have an East German RPK rear site that I could use, but I would kind of like to stay with Russian hardware for this project if possible.
Next week I will be able to start this project and I will post pictures and do a little tutorial/commentary on the conversion process from the beginning to the end. I think this is going to be a very cool project, I have been thinking about doing this for a couple of years so fingers crossed all will go well.
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