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Update - U.S. built AK-74 floorplates

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Announcing...

IT WORKS! :D

Can't tell you how happy I am. The prototype is working, need to find sheet metal that isn't galvanized & then I'm going to start pumping these out.

Question about sheet metal cutting/stamping:

What's the easiest way? To make this practical for mass production, I need to find a quick/easy way to cut out sheet metal blanks cookie-cutter style.

Short of buying a press and die-stamping them, I'm wondering what are my options? Cut-off wheels work but are not easy. What about sheet metal shears or nibblers?

Enjoy while you can... in case the page doesn't show, my Internet connection is having problems and line maintenance is scheduled for this week... again.

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/floorplates/us_floorplates.htm
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hcpookie, To make them as cheaply and quickly as possible, I wouldn't do the bumps on the floorplate, which would distinguish your floorplate from foreign made and save time. I would suggest using 18 gauge metal which would make them stiffer. The round hole is perfectly fine. Slap some flat black primmer on them and sell'em like hot cakes..... :thumbup1:
Would you concider selling me some of the prototypes you have in your picture. I'll let you know if they work..... :biggrin: The thing is I have a Polish Tantal and I'm short one U.S. part to be able to put original Polish pistol grip. I just ran out of U.S. parts. The only other part I could replace is the muzzle brake but I'd rather not. Replacing Tantals muzzle brake with a U.S. made would look "DUMB"
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Pookie, if you do a round hole then the US stamp is not required.
If you do want to use a stamp then get some SMALLER stamps.

I would also like 5 of them with the square hole, no stamp, and no finish.
In the WHITE will be fine.

The bumps in the floorplate is for strength I beleive.

Oh, one more thing..... I wonder if these will work on Polish 5.56 plastic mags???
I guess everyone is on the bandwagon for these 5.45x39.5 floor plates!!!!

hcpookie...

If you do make them, I'll take 10. In the white (no finish), no stamp (I think anyone will know that there not foreign).
I'm ok with the round hole and US stamp. As long as they function. I'm still in.
OK... going to ship some out. Let's say this is a PROTOTYPE test run, so that way no one gets upset if they suck. Those that have responded - I'll get some made this week and will try to have them ready to ship by next weekend... assuming nothing big happens at work. I just remembered I'm travelling later in the week so let's say within the next two weeks, just to be sure.

Thanks for the feedback so far! If they suck, I want to know why so I can make them better.

I wanted to touch on a few points...

- Dimples are indeed there to stregnthen the plate. Surprisingly, WITH the dimples, the 26 gauge sheet metal gets really stiff.

- Thickness is OK. 26- or 22-gauge is more than adequate for these. Mainly due to the dimples and side "rails".

- They should fit on any synthetic mag. I've got them on synthetic -74 mags and Bulgarian Waffle 7.62x39 (see the pics on my site). I am about 99% sure these will work on the Polish synthetic, but that's a good point. Want to try one to see? :D

- Stamp size. Picky Picky Picky! :p Seriously, I just picked up the 1/4" stamps because they were on sale at HF. I'll put 1/8" stamps on my shopping list.

- Round vs. Square hole. Until I get a better mass-production layout, the round holes will be standard. Surprisingly, the bending is the EASY part. The square hole and cutting are the hard parts because they suck up all the time. I can make these about twice as fast with a round hole. For now. I have some stamping ideas to kick around and I may be able to speed up the square holes and cutting tasks.

- Cost/packaging. I'm going to try to price these like the 7.62 floorplates that are out there. Since the AK-74 pouches come 4- to a pouch, I'm planning to sell these in 5-packs for $1.50 each. What do you think - Is $7.50 for a 5-pack reasonable? I don't want to make them too expensive and at the same time the shipping will be another couple bucks... then again I want to get "something" back for my time. What do you think - would $2.00/floorplate be too expensive you think? That would make a 5-pack $10.00 + s/h. So far, it seems like the speed I can make them at about 5/hour. That is $10/hour not counting tooling/supply costs... pricing is a bugger... I just don't want to feel like I'm ripping of my brothers-in-arms ;)
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Vis said:
Would you concider selling me some of the prototypes you have in your picture. I'll let you know if they work..... :biggrin: The thing is I have a Polish Tantal and I'm short one U.S. part to be able to put original Polish pistol grip. I just ran out of U.S. parts. The only other part I could replace is the muzzle brake but I'd rather not. Replacing Tantals muzzle brake with a U.S. made would look "DUMB"
Hey is that a steel magazine? Seems to me the RPBUSA floorplates should work for those... I have some I put on my steel 7.62 mags... work fine, AND the package they sell them in is 10 floorplates + 10 followers. Sweet deal, really.

USA Mfg. AK Magazine Floor Plate and Follower. Package of 10 Sets. FSE Mfg.AK28$10.00

http://www.rpbusa.com/ak.html
Pricing sounds ok to me I'll need 35, thats $52.50 plus shipping correct? Would it better shipping on this many?
Polish Taipan said:
Pricing sounds ok to me I'll need 35, thats $52.50 plus shipping correct? Would it better shipping on this many?
Or would it just be $2 per plate?
I would be willing to pay $3 each for 10 plates
I would like them to have a square hole, and no markings
I don't mean to be particular but this is for a special one of a kind 5.45.

My krink doesn't need US parts due to it being a SBR :)

also consider these things

(1) sole source - no one else is making them
(2) Your time

With those 2 factors, I would say
$2.50 per plate 10 plate min shipped would be a fair price
Shipping will be $3.85 so that would make is $21.00
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DrugRunR said:
I would be willing to pay $3 each for 10 plates
I would like them to have a square hole, and no markings
I don't mean to be particular but this is for a special one of a kind 5.45.

My krink doesn't need US parts due to it being a SBR :)

also consider these things

(1) sole source - no one else is making them
(2) Your time

With those 2 factors, I would say
$2.50 per plate 10 plate min shipped would be a fair price
Shipping will be $3.85 so that would make is $21.00
I'd say +1 but your math is off.
How is my math wrong?

10 plates for $25.00 shipped.
The cost of shipping is $3.85 since it will be under 1 pound and that is PRIORITY MAIL
So that leaves $21.15 (I rounded to $21)

Doesn't matter. Whatever price he sets, they will sell.
SOLE SOURCE.
Like me and Polish Laminated Pistol Grips.
I am the ONLY source for them in the US.

Anyway..... Pookie, my offer still stands.. I got $30 with your name on it

CHARLES
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DrugRunR said:
How is my math wrong?

10 plates for $25.00 shipped.
The cost of shipping is $3.85 since it will be under 1 pound and that is PRIORITY MAIL
So that leaves $21.15 (I rounded to $21)

Doesn't matter. Whatever price he sets, they will sell.
SOLE SOURCE.
Like me and Polish Laminated Pistol Grips.
I am the ONLY source for them in the US.

Anyway..... Pookie, my offer still stands.. I got $30 with your name on it

CHARLES
Ah I thought you meant $25 plus shipping. LOL I guess I can't read today.
I agree they will sell, like hotcakes :thumbup1: .
You say these will fit on a 7.62 steel mag?
no.. just buy the ones from RPB-USA.com
You can get 10 floorplates and 10 followers for $10 plus shipping.
Those will not fit the 5.45 mags.
Pookie...
I did some thinking about the stamping setup.

I believe it would be possible to make a die that would do the following in one step

Cut the plate to size
Punch the square hole
do the 2 dimples.
Then you would only have to deal with bending the locking channels.

I guess you could do it in 2 dies
Die 1 would cut the plate to size
Die 2 would cut the square hole and do the 2 dimples.

I am gonna play around tommorow and see what I can come up with
To get the most money for the plates that would need to be as close to original as possible.

I got this idea from the sheet metal shop next door to my work.
They have a rig setup that cuts a retangle hole with 2 smaller retangle holes.
This is for a SMA (suface mount adaptor) which allows you to surface mount on a concrete wall electrical devices.
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DrugRunR said:
no.. just buy the ones from RPB-USA.com
You can get 10 floorplates and 10 followers for $10 plus shipping.
Those will not fit the 5.45 mags.


Ok. Thanks.
hcpookie said:
Hey is that a steel magazine? Seems to me the RPBUSA floorplates should work for those...
I just tried it, it don't work. Tantal mag. is about 1/8" narrower
:bawling:
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attached is a emachineshop file

It is not to size, but more of a rough drawing.

this is a ONE DIE setup with the bottom die being shown.

The 4 squares in the corners are alignment blocks
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