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I assume the answer would be a bolt action rifle.

I watched the movie, "The Ghost and the Darkness," starring Val Kilmer, and wrote about it in another topic. It was about a British engineer, John Patterson, who had to hunt down two maneating lions who had attacked and killed so many railroad workers that construction of a Bridge over the Tsavo River had to be stopped. The lions killed at least 35 workers and were credited with another 100 killings, as well. Patterson and others believed the beasts were killing for sport. The historical event was also portrayed in Bwana Devil, the first full length 3D movie.


British Martini-Henry rifle

What struck me was how dangerous the big cats were. Patterson shot the second lion 7 times! I believe one shot was with a shotgun, 3 from an Enfield sporting rifle, and 3 more form a British Henry-Martini .577/450 carbine. It chased Patterson up a tree, even though its leg was broken by one of the rounds! Shortly afterwards, he put it down with Martini carbine, then fired another shot into its chest, and finally one in its head. The animal did not die easily. Patterson wrote it "died gamely, biting savagely at a branch which had fallen to the ground."

He killed the first lion with multiple shots. First, he shot it with what I believe was some sort of Express Rifle, probably firing .450 rounds. I'm not sure whether he used soft (lead) bullets, or hard (steel). This is the borrowed rifle which misfired when he was less than 20 yards from the maneater. Once he realized it was a double-barreled rifle, he fired the other charge. Later, he shot a "blaze" of bullets into the lion from an stand, killing it. My belief is these were form his Enfield Sporting rifle, which a colleague called a "popgun."


Compare the British .303 (third from the left) to the Martini .577/450 (far right)

I have an Enfield, and there's no way in heck I would hunt a maneating lion with it - not after reading how tough these animals are. What would you use - and why?
 

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Semi auto 12 gauge slug gun..
I'm showing ignorance, but it's genuine. What is a 12 gauge slug gun? Colonel Patterson fired a "12 bore shot gun," so maybe it's the same?
 

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A 12 gauge shotgun with a rifled bbl.. I think it would be very effective for big cats at close range.. Sort of like hitting them with a overloaded coal truck, coming down a mountain, with no brakes..
 

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how bout a full auto ak with a drum, lol
 

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mike26038 said:
Semi auto 12 gauge slug gun..
i say good; but need more stopping power. a barret with hadloaded wadcutters in the 500gr category

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both good choices. but id like a .30 cal 1919 in full auto. that should make em stop roaring!
but seriously, ive heard a bolt action .300 weatherby magnum would stop an elephant. but you'd better get that lion on the first shot, i hear they can close the distance really fast.
 

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No shotgun for me!



There was a reason I specified hunting a "maneating lion." Hunting a lion which is going about its business is dangerous enough, but hunting one that is hunting you puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "one shot one kill."

As for hunting lions with shotguns, frankly I don't want to be up close to a Big Cat when the SHTF. They can close a hundred yards with 8 quick strides in maybe 3 seconds. 400 pounds of fur, claws, and teeth is something I don't want up close and personal, especially when it thinks I'm today's special on the all-you-can-eat menu. One expert summarized: "shotguns and lions are a first class recipe for a mauled hunter." See, A Guide to Rifle Choice for Dangerous Game.

Watch a short video of a lion hunt and ask whether a shotgun would have been effective:

Click here. Use "lion" for the username and password.
 

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Well, if I had to repell boarders of the 400lb. murderous type, I'd probably use my 375HH Whitworth or CZ 458. My Ruger no. 1 in 416 REM. would do,but is a single shot, ofcourse all of these might ruin the pelt.
It has long been my belief that the 30-06 is the best all around cartridge in the world and if you shoot something with it and then it takes you home and feeds you to it's young, maybe you should get another hobbie.
 

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i saw the clip and am now convinced that the semi 50 cal would've had a different result!
 

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My mother in law.
 

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Watched the lion video, and just let me say this..

Never hunt dangerous game, at close range with a scoped gun.. As the lion is charging the hunters, did you happen to see all of the misses?? This is why you never use a scope to hunt damgerous things at close ranges..

Now amagine this.. A 12 gauge, loaded with 7 3" 1 3/4oz. slugs.. No scope. Just blasting freight cars at it.. Just one in the chest would have fliuped that big bastard backwards..

Though, the 12 gauge slug is not a big game(elephant), nor a longe range gun, but it would have made a excellent protection gun in this case.. Better than that scoped 300 whatever mag, with a 6x20 scope on it..
 

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I'm with Lupeloff, either the 375 H&H or at the very least a .338 win mag.. I read that article AClay47 linked in his post and shotguns were not that effective on leapords so a big game rifle in an appropiate caliber and maybe a semi auto 308 with open sights for a back up weapon. Seeing those guys miss as the lion charged gives you something to think about.
 

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Grendeljaeger ... your post made me think. When I looked at your avatar, I realized you had hunted my mother-in-law. I hate to tell you this, but she's still on the prowl!!!!!! Either you missed her, or the round was wrong!

Please try again, maybe with the 375H&H!
 

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:boxing: i take it the 50bmg in the quick handling version of the barret does not strike your fancy gentlemen! :wallbash:
i am convinced that even as u miss the charging cat, the muzzle blast off that thing will stop it dead in its tracks! :rockets:
 

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AClay47 said:
Grendeljaeger ... your post made me think. When I looked at your avatar, I realized you had hunted my mother-in-law. I hate to tell you this, but she's still on the prowl!!!!!! Either you missed her, or the round was wrong!

Please try again, maybe with the 375H&H!
Sounds like we have similar Mother 'n' laws! LOL
 

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maxim.semyonov said:
:boxing: i take it the 50bmg in the quick handling version of the barret does not strike your fancy gentlemen! :wallbash:
i am convinced that even as u miss the charging cat, the muzzle blast off that thing will stop it dead in its tracks! :rockets:
I don't know why that wouldn't make a good selection. Hopefully, one shot would kill the animal. How would the recoil affect a second, or third shot if needed? One of the reasons the legendary Martini 577/.450 round quit being used was because of its hard recoil. Even some British Martini-Henry rifles were bored to fire the .303.

I was surprised to learn a legendary Gamehunter used a .303 to kill a pride of maneaters just 30 years ago! I might prefer a semi-auto Dragunov sniper rifle with 7.62X54R to an Enfield, though? Just a thought.

One of the problems is that lions are almost unkillable. One hunter reported, "With a perforated heart a lion can still move for up to 8 seconds - at 15+ metres a second." That means with a heart shot, a lion might still traverse 100 yards, so you better be farther away from that, even if you're a darn good, or lucky, shot!
 

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Cephus, I'm with you, unless it's about bringing home a lion rug. If it's a matter of him or me, I'm taking you hunting with me.
 

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Priairie dog sounds safe, unless we're talking something from the Sci-Fi Channel! LOL!

Eastern coyotes are bigger than those in the west from having bred with dogs and wolves. In most States they are bounty animals. Haven't heard of any attacks on people, but I would probably be the first!

Believe it or not, though, you would not need a passport to hunt lions. Their are Mountain Lion hunting expeditions in the US and Canada. They're not as big as the African cats, but they are dangerous. An 85 pound cougar can kill an adult man. They are stealthy and can can leap 40 feet. I think a .303 or a .308 could handle them one though.
 

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Off subject, but reading what some said about mother-in-laws it reminded me of a question at the police academy when I was a young man. The instructor asked what would you do if you had to arrest your own mother.
I said that's easy...................I'd call for back up!!!!!!
 
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